Hello everyone

Vote for your favorite OS.

thanks.

So far Almalinux and Ubuntu is a tie. If they continue to tie, I don’t think there is a need for official support of Almalinux.

I think it is very important to support most used OS and not focus on just one, because this will make CyberPanel more popular and available for more OS, at least for one of the alternatives to CentOS like Almalinux or Rocky linux.

Even a tie means equal interest and hence should be supported in my opinion.
There should be atleast 1 RHEL based OS support for general mass as majority comes from CentOS who are into web hosting business. The reason is obvious as CentOS was largely used by web hosting companies.

Almalinux is already winning now @die2mrw007

Please let Ubuntu win. I love it

I voted for Ubuntu (of course) and AlmaLinux but I’m afraid the backers of Alma may go the same commercial way as Centos/RHEL in the future.

Its registered under open source license and they cannot change the license at later stage. Also they have already mentioned in their official website that it will be forever free:

Free Linux OS for the community, by the community

An Open Source, community owned and governed, forever-free enterprise Linux distribution, focused on long-term stability, providing a robust production-grade platform. AlmaLinux OS is 1:1 binary compatible with RHEL® and pre-Stream CentOS.

RHEL based OS are proven to be more stable, efficient and secure.

I’m afraid @usmannasir will change his mind if Alma wins. He said “Ubuntu is the future for CyberPanel.”
I’ve been in RHEL based for a long time and I started to love Ubuntu, build new Ubuntu server for CyberPanel.

I plan to maintain a supported Almalinux branch because too many people asking for it. We already have the code I just need to review and run tests.

Just installed alma, its gonna be exciting

Complete!
Run dnf distro-sync -y                                                OK
Restoring of alternatives is done                                     OK
Generating grub configuration file ...
done
All Secure Boot related packages which were released by not AlmaLinux are reinstalledOK

Migration to AlmaLinux is completed
[root@cyberpanel-alma ~]# 

Are you going to be providing the exact same support in terms of testing etc? If not, I would be inclined sticking with Ubuntu because I think the most important thing for end users to make sure CyberPanel works with the ideal OS.

The focus will be to support same level of stability on both OS.

this will not happen as they already have Cloudlinux but there is another GAME I’m sure they will do in 2023 , remember this well …

that’s great step forward congratulations @usmannasir , and I wait topic from you show all what’s benefits of using Alma or topic show Ubuntu vs Alma from Technical View

CyberPanel installation is already working on Almalinux. I am just running tests and making sure everything is working as expected.

@usmannasir ver.2.1.2 ? or there is an update ?

It works very fine for me without issues. I am running production sites on my cyberpanel almalinux server since many months now. Its proven very stable and robust for me.

And thank you for considering support to Almalinux officially.

I really look forward to the support from AlmaLinux and want a relatively stable platform for production.

I’ve enabled Almalinux installation through the main install script. However still my testing is not yet completed. Will also update install docs to reflect it.

@usmannasir we need your opinion too which one you really think is better specially from side of Security and Performance?

Security depends on your Apps. Does not matter which OS you use, if your apps are not secured you are bound to be hacked.

Although for years Centos ruled the servers words as cPanel was also based on Centos. However Centos charm finished as soon as Redhat discontinued it.

so what about performance side ?

Redhat didnt discontinued it. They turned centos to centos stream making a different route. Centos before 2021 was cloned from RHEL but with CentOS stream RHEL is now available as subscription (paid).
The community was really disappointed with this move by Redhat.

To continue the CentOS legacy, cloudlinux team forked CentOS8 and created Almalinux and promised it as forever free RHEL based distro.

CentOs co-founder later announced Rockylinux to continue the legacy of CentOs.

Almalinux and Rockylinux will replace all CentOs server users offering enterprise grade RHEL based platform.

Performance is better in Almalinux especially the server reboot time. I have tested in 2 production servers where I have Ubuntu 20.4 LTS and Almalinux 8.5 in another and I experienced better reboot speed in almalinux as major performance changes.
Its not just limited to boot time speed, but in general too its faster performing than with ubuntu but not major difference. The boot time though was major difference.

I voted for Ubuntu. I’ve used this operating system for a long time. I’ve also used CentOS. I always come back to Ubuntu. It has always been very stable for me. I still have a server with Ubuntu 16 on it, since 2016.

I think this really all boils down to personal preference in the end. All operating systems mentioned are good and can be used to achieve the same end goal.

Yes, its all user preference. If the user expects stable, high performing server-based requisites, then the Red Hat is the best option to move for. In case the user sticks with a frequently updated, user-friendly GUI system, then comparatively, Ubuntu stands well. So clearly, the need of the user affects the choice of OS.

Hi die2mrw007

I find insteresting your affirmation that Almalinux is better in performance.
I have tested Ubuntu 20 and Almalinux and I get 150 ms TTFB with Ubuntu, and 500 ms with Almalinux, same website. Both Cyberpanels fresh installed and website restored from same backup. Both servers in same cloud platform.
Did you tune your Almalinux?

TTFB depends on various factors inclusive. Which hosting provider are you using? I am using AWS.

Also I never mentioned almalinux outperforms other OS drastically. Its just a marginal difference which may not be felt in real world experience. But the boot time is indeed faster with almalinux compared to ubuntu. Obviously the main reason for faster reboot and search operations is because of lesser files in RHEL based os compared to ubuntu. Ubuntu has lot of updates, plugins, and many programs pre-installed whereas almalinux is limited with these. For example, wget and nano isnt pre-installed in almalinux.

Well, it’s a cloud virtual machine, 4 core, 8gb ram, nmve… same provider both, same network. One with Ubuntu 20 and another with Almalinux 8.5
I like the idea to migrate to Almalinux to have less updates and more stable system, but I’m confused wit this strange performance difference. At the moment I stay with Ubuntu.

Make sure you install the minimal image of almalinux and not regular one.

Today I’ve made another test and I thought you’d like to know.
A new provider, same VPS installed first with Almalinux and Cyberpanel.
And then with Ubuntu and Cyberpanel. Same Prestashop production site.

Ubuntu was hands down faster almost x3. TTFB 600ms (more than 500ms Firefox shows a turtle) vs 200 ms with Ubuntu.
GTMetrix was also confirming the performance difference.
I think this has nothing to do with Cyberpanel.

I’d be curious to see the same test with CentOS.

Also, the best test would be to do this on the exact same vps server, rather than just the same host. It is common for there to be performance differences between servers on the same host.

Perhaps you could either wipe/reinstall the server when you’ve completed one test, or just take a snapshot right after deploying the server, which you can restore after a test and the install the other OS.

This seems very strange, your Linux distro shouldn’t have much effect on a sites TTFB at all, as long as the server, i.e. LiteSpeed, is set up correctly.

I know, very strange. But these are my results. Two different cloud providers, same VPS installed with Almalinux 8.5, immediately after Cyberpanel, backup restored and test. Then reinstall with Ubuntu 20 LTS and Cyberpanel and test.
I did not change anything in PHP or any other config.

Then the second provider, first Almalinux, then Ubuntu and then CentOS 8. Same VPS box. Almalinux and Cent OS showed same TTFB.

Maybe I’m forgetting something. If one of you can do some test with a Prestashop or Magento (something heavier than Wordpress)… I’d love to be wrong.

i using ubuntu

but if cyberpanel can run well at alma, i want give the try using alma, since alma was develop by cloud linux with enteprise level distro.

@usmannasir : sir… is CyberPanel can use almalinux better than ubuntu right now ?
how about the installer ?

Sounds like a CentOS issue then. Whether it’s CentOS itself or CentOS +CyberPanel is the question. Can you install almalinux/CentOS and cyberpanel on one instance, and with a different control panel on another? Maybe directadmin or cPanel, if they have a free trial?

Almalinux is Enterprise class, and using RH

well Ubuntu was the best…

Today
Alma more light and have good performance, but who knows in next years.

me ? i better stick with ubuntu even the performa cannot compared to alma.

Atleast for next 10 years Almalinux is been funded.

yes that is true

sometimes i was thinking to try alma.

what do you think ?
is alma 8 now more stable to cyberpanel ?

It is stable but I would not recommend for any newbies to shift to alma or any other OS apart from ubuntu . The reason for the same is, Ubuntu and Almalinux or Centos is entirely different than ubuntu and the file contents of few config files are different for both systems. It will be tough for newbies to edit the config files if required as sometimes the location path of these config files too are different in both systems.

You will find more articles related to ubuntu OS than centos or RHEL based.

thankyou…
i will try alma

I’m not so sure that is true, and if it is then I’m not sure that all of the articles related to Ubuntu are always giving the best solutions and best practices.

Both Debian based distros, e.g. Ubuntu and RHEL based distros, e.g. AlmaLinux are secure, stable and work well. In most cases you won’t notice big differences in performance, support, etc. whichever you choose.

I do agree that migrating servers full of existing sites can be a pain between one and the other, so it’s normally much easier to pick one or the other and then stick with it.

actually my production server still using cpanel and cwp
my cyberpanel only use for small client. thats why i think i have a time to choose between ubuntu or alma…

since my last cyberpanel migration not make me happy but after this build 2 it’s look better.
so before i made my decision to migrate my customer to cyberpanel, i want to make sure everything is going well from the OS/Distro, prosedure for migration (with script and/or without script)
CMS migration
everything

Cyberpanel is the best choice in the opensource segment. I have used CWP and its too old design + lot of bottleneck issues. Also it doesnt support Openlitespeed.

You can stop paying the hefty fees of cPanel and instead spend those amount on opensource developers to contribute on adding new things in cyberpanel which will benefit the whole community who are using cyberpanel as their hosting panel.

of course that was my plan…
but still some feature was not available
and perhaps will not available

1. catcha-all email
2. forward email without create inbox
3. forward domain mail
4. awstats

right now im trying to find out the solution lol
because i know CP+OLS will not have those feature

As I said previously, cyberpanel is a free opensource panel and anything can be added, modified according to your requirements if you know programming code or you have a dedicated developer with you.

By default cyberpanel added rainloop as its default mailbox controller because rainloop is secure and very light weight. You can use other mailbox controllers too if you know how to do or assign any developer to do this task. Once done, you can share the codes/package with the community too.

i agree
and i understand about cyberpanel concept
there is no contradiction about that

thats why i said. i try to find the solution by my self

I liked your explanations there, I’m going to test this system you mentioned, AlmaLinux, I’m already installing it on the VPS, I’ve spent many months with CyberPanel installed on Ubuntu 18.04 and 20.04, but lately it started to give problems when generating SSL automatically. Greetings from Brazil

I installed Alma Linux and installed CyberPanel on it, no comparison with Ubuntu, performance much better and much more stable, balanced ram usage and in ubuntu I was using 10% more

Yes, Almalinux is comparatively faster than ubuntu

I have only been working with webservers for under a year now and have only used Ubuntu so far - how much different are the commands etc… with RHEL distros like Almalinux?

Given that we have Cyberpanel to handle most things, I don’t do much from the CLI other than install and update packages, and modify some config files with nano and sed.

Would I have much difficulty transitioning to Alma?

Edit: Nevermind - Im giving up after 30 minutes of trying to do relatively basic things. Various packages don’t exist at all, for others I have to track down alternative repos, and config files are in different locations etc… I’m sticking with Ubuntu.

Yeah, many things are different. It will not be an easy journey though.

Ubuntu wins now …

I you look carefully then you will find that creator of AlmaLinux is CloudLinux (CL), a not free distro! So, it is not possible Alma will eat CL, in other words: the maker will not create Alma better or equal as CL.

Alma must be less feature/performance than CL.
Alma must be slow while apply any fixing things than CL.

Otherwise people will not buy CL every month

So, I hope CyberPanel focuss on Ubuntu instead.

Entirely wrong!

Cloudlinux is not a standalone OS and its just a package created on top of OS.
This CL package needs RHEL based OS to work. It was using Centos as base and now that Centos was dead, they required alternate OS to continue with Cloudlinux or else Cloudlinux will die due to outdated base OS (which was centos until then).

This is the reason they started Almalinux so that they can use it as base OS and continue with Cloudlinux sales.

Apart from what @die2mrw007 said, there is also the fact that CloudLinux does not own AlmaLinux. Yes, they did start the project but the development and governance has been taken over by an open source foundation since then. CloudLinux have no control over the governance of the AlmaLinux foundation, although they are still financial sponsors.